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		<title>By: Mario Olckers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario Olckers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m writing from South Africa where all this stuff is all pretty much limited to a small percentage of the poulation.

With that said, most social media efforts revolve around a small handful of &quot;luminaries/digital pioneers&quot; who go round &quot;consulting&quot; and strategising on behalf of some big companies/brands. It usually involves the holy trinity of getting a blog up, and setting up a Facebook page and lately Twitter account and then cross-linking all this into one another.

Where I see it failing is exactly a point you&#039;re trying to make, the online space is becoming increasingly human, a social media manager need to be a &quot;personality&quot; just like in real life when you meet new people and start hanging out with a certain group of friends.

You need to stay in contact and constantly do different things and retain the interest and connections e.g going to shows/concerts together, hanging out at a favourite bar, texting and e-mailing one another about significant ups/downs in each others&#039; lives.

Long-term bonds of friendship is built like that

Now companies decide they need to get into social media cause everyone else is and they don&#039;t wanna seem uncool or behind the times, they hire someone to set up the blog, facebook page and twitter profile and then let that person go. Now some sterile corporate drone/intern sit there and from time to time churn out these uninteresting corporate facts and figures. It just won&#039;t do and that is why many social media efforts fall flat and then the whole thing turns sour and people start pointing fingers and looking for someone to blame.

Social Media cannot be outsourced, the people who run the company, knows the business model and what they&#039;re supposed to be doing, selling needs to get in there and act just like they would in a real life social setup.

And this is not impractical, just realistic, people need to get over themselves and just Tweet themselves about their company and be live, real people with personality. This gets picked up on by whomever happens by and whether or not it actually leads to sales in the end is not the point, all this obsession with ROI etc is SO NOT what it should be about. If you let people see you&#039;re an interesting human being with interesting links and personality to share and you just SO HAPPEN to represent a company that sells shoelaces, they may just next time when their shoelaces get chowed by the dog send you an @message or click through to your website and order some shoelaces just because you&#039;re that nice new Twitter friend with the funny quips who just happen to work for a shoelace manufacturing company. How incredibly serendipitous is this whole Tweeting business!
.-= Mario Olckers&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MarioOlckers/~3/m5XXfoltACs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;300 Case Studies of Social Media Marketing&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m writing from South Africa where all this stuff is all pretty much limited to a small percentage of the poulation.</p>
<p>With that said, most social media efforts revolve around a small handful of &#8220;luminaries/digital pioneers&#8221; who go round &#8220;consulting&#8221; and strategising on behalf of some big companies/brands. It usually involves the holy trinity of getting a blog up, and setting up a Facebook page and lately Twitter account and then cross-linking all this into one another.</p>
<p>Where I see it failing is exactly a point you&#8217;re trying to make, the online space is becoming increasingly human, a social media manager need to be a &#8220;personality&#8221; just like in real life when you meet new people and start hanging out with a certain group of friends.</p>
<p>You need to stay in contact and constantly do different things and retain the interest and connections e.g going to shows/concerts together, hanging out at a favourite bar, texting and e-mailing one another about significant ups/downs in each others&#8217; lives.</p>
<p>Long-term bonds of friendship is built like that</p>
<p>Now companies decide they need to get into social media cause everyone else is and they don&#8217;t wanna seem uncool or behind the times, they hire someone to set up the blog, facebook page and twitter profile and then let that person go. Now some sterile corporate drone/intern sit there and from time to time churn out these uninteresting corporate facts and figures. It just won&#8217;t do and that is why many social media efforts fall flat and then the whole thing turns sour and people start pointing fingers and looking for someone to blame.</p>
<p>Social Media cannot be outsourced, the people who run the company, knows the business model and what they&#8217;re supposed to be doing, selling needs to get in there and act just like they would in a real life social setup.</p>
<p>And this is not impractical, just realistic, people need to get over themselves and just Tweet themselves about their company and be live, real people with personality. This gets picked up on by whomever happens by and whether or not it actually leads to sales in the end is not the point, all this obsession with ROI etc is SO NOT what it should be about. If you let people see you&#8217;re an interesting human being with interesting links and personality to share and you just SO HAPPEN to represent a company that sells shoelaces, they may just next time when their shoelaces get chowed by the dog send you an @message or click through to your website and order some shoelaces just because you&#8217;re that nice new Twitter friend with the funny quips who just happen to work for a shoelace manufacturing company. How incredibly serendipitous is this whole Tweeting business!<br />
<span class="cluv"> Mario Olckers&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MarioOlckers/~3/m5XXfoltACs/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/feedproxy.google.com/_r/MarioOlckers/_3/m5XXfoltACs/?referer=');">300 Case Studies of Social Media Marketing</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://keithburtis.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: John Heaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Heaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every executive that I&#039;ve met with to discuss social media initiatives leaps on the concept of &quot;Free.&quot; &quot;Free&quot; media channels. With &quot;free&quot; platforms, tools and widgets. And every message sent &quot;free.&quot; 

The only question they have is: Where and when can I get me some of that?

The bright shiny object syndrome apparently overwhelms any subsequent discussion of the true human costs of social media, since being social actually requires the interaction of a real, live human. And this human draws a paycheck. 

(Cue sound of screeching brakes)

When this realization sinks in, the typical response is &quot;my people don&#039;t have time for chatting and wasting time.&quot; 

So, the inevitable happens. Lured by the prospect of &quot;free&quot;, they fire up a blog, set up a Facebook Fan Page, create some Twitter accounts and sit back and wait for the adoring throngs to express their undying love and appreciation of their company. 

Lively content? (Buzzz)
Genuine conversation? (Buzzz)
Real-time interaction? (Buzzz)

Logically, then, the only lesson that can be gleaned is that social media is a huge waste of time. Unless it&#039;s done thoughtfully as a part of a strategic program aligned with the company&#039;s marketing efforts with specific goals and objectives and sufficient resources applied to training, content development and execution. But that stuff&#039;s just not as fun as tweeting and Facebook friending.
.-= John Heaney&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://orange-envelopes.com/blog/2009/10/29/4-critical-business-lessons-learned-from-the-droid/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;4 Critical Business Lessons Learned From the Droid&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every executive that I&#8217;ve met with to discuss social media initiatives leaps on the concept of &#8220;Free.&#8221; &#8220;Free&#8221; media channels. With &#8220;free&#8221; platforms, tools and widgets. And every message sent &#8220;free.&#8221; </p>
<p>The only question they have is: Where and when can I get me some of that?</p>
<p>The bright shiny object syndrome apparently overwhelms any subsequent discussion of the true human costs of social media, since being social actually requires the interaction of a real, live human. And this human draws a paycheck. </p>
<p>(Cue sound of screeching brakes)</p>
<p>When this realization sinks in, the typical response is &#8220;my people don&#8217;t have time for chatting and wasting time.&#8221; </p>
<p>So, the inevitable happens. Lured by the prospect of &#8220;free&#8221;, they fire up a blog, set up a Facebook Fan Page, create some Twitter accounts and sit back and wait for the adoring throngs to express their undying love and appreciation of their company. </p>
<p>Lively content? (Buzzz)<br />
Genuine conversation? (Buzzz)<br />
Real-time interaction? (Buzzz)</p>
<p>Logically, then, the only lesson that can be gleaned is that social media is a huge waste of time. Unless it&#8217;s done thoughtfully as a part of a strategic program aligned with the company&#8217;s marketing efforts with specific goals and objectives and sufficient resources applied to training, content development and execution. But that stuff&#8217;s just not as fun as tweeting and Facebook friending.<br />
<span class="cluv"> John Heaney&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://orange-envelopes.com/blog/2009/10/29/4-critical-business-lessons-learned-from-the-droid/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/orange-envelopes.com/blog/2009/10/29/4-critical-business-lessons-learned-from-the-droid/?referer=');">4 Critical Business Lessons Learned From the Droid</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://keithburtis.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: keithburtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>keithburtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angela, thats a great post and very insightful. If your in community you need to be reading Angela&#039;s blog. The link is right above this comment! Thank you for adding value here. I hate focusing on failures, but a failure for one is a tip for another.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angela, thats a great post and very insightful. If your in community you need to be reading Angela&#8217;s blog. The link is right above this comment! Thank you for adding value here. I hate focusing on failures, but a failure for one is a tip for another.<br />
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		<title>By: Angela Connor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Keith: Excellent insight, and very much needed. I just blogged about a competitor that has reassigned their community manager because they feel the community is now robust enough and sustainable all on it&#039;s own. Talk about a disaster waiting to happen! What kind of mindset is that? You can build it, nurture it, gain traction and then LEAVE!! I like how you liken it to having 500 customers in a brick and mortar with no human presence. I was also on a panel recently and had to chime in when one of my co-panelists told the audience of 150 business professionals that he had 6 twitter accounts, leading them to believe that&#039;s what they need to do to find success. They were already overwhelmed by social media and then he offers up that nonsense? I provided a different perspective and people managed to calm down. On another note in the fail department, I just read a press release issued by a company yesterday about it&#039;s new twitter account that will retweet info from another account. Yes, that was in a press release. But I digress....
.-= Angela Connor&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.angelaconnor.com/2009/11/03/thanks-for-building-our-community-bye-bye/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thanks for building our community, bye-bye&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Keith: Excellent insight, and very much needed. I just blogged about a competitor that has reassigned their community manager because they feel the community is now robust enough and sustainable all on it&#8217;s own. Talk about a disaster waiting to happen! What kind of mindset is that? You can build it, nurture it, gain traction and then LEAVE!! I like how you liken it to having 500 customers in a brick and mortar with no human presence. I was also on a panel recently and had to chime in when one of my co-panelists told the audience of 150 business professionals that he had 6 twitter accounts, leading them to believe that&#8217;s what they need to do to find success. They were already overwhelmed by social media and then he offers up that nonsense? I provided a different perspective and people managed to calm down. On another note in the fail department, I just read a press release issued by a company yesterday about it&#8217;s new twitter account that will retweet info from another account. Yes, that was in a press release. But I digress&#8230;.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Angela Connor&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://blog.angelaconnor.com/2009/11/03/thanks-for-building-our-community-bye-bye/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/blog.angelaconnor.com/2009/11/03/thanks-for-building-our-community-bye-bye/?referer=');">Thanks for building our community, bye-bye</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://keithburtis.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never once said they did a good job. I said I didn&#039;t know the right answer yet. 

Lets take you for a second. 

You appear to have joined the page for the free hamburger, not because you&#039;re a fan of TGI Fridays (if you didn&#039;t bear with me on this tangent)

That&#039;s a promotion changing a behavior using social media. You 100% opted in, and there you are, one of the 300K fans. Now, what if they sent you a targeted message that said if you come to the Main and Chippewa TGI Friday&#039;s for Game 6 of the World Series and say Facebook, we&#039;ll buy your entree. Then, when you&#039;re there, someone at TGI Friday&#039;s takes your picture and asks your permission to place it in an album on the page. 

As you say, that&#039;s Push Marketing, but you talk about it like it&#039;s a bad thing. To me, that&#039;s using the medium to reward Fans, then letting fans be fans. That&#039;s an engagement that can be measured, scaled, and promoted. 

My overall point is this: while I&#039;ll concede that they screwed up not sending you their hamburger, my point is they most-likely scrwed up not thinking about what&#039;s next, and what they will do next. But I don&#039;t oficially KNOW they screwed up, because they aren&#039;t done. If they have something like what I propose coming, then I&#039;ll applaud. If they don&#039;t, then I&#039;ll give them a fail.
.-= Matt&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://sharemarketing.wordpress.com/2009/10/30/a-social-media-bubble/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A social media bubble?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never once said they did a good job. I said I didn&#8217;t know the right answer yet. </p>
<p>Lets take you for a second. </p>
<p>You appear to have joined the page for the free hamburger, not because you&#8217;re a fan of TGI Fridays (if you didn&#8217;t bear with me on this tangent)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a promotion changing a behavior using social media. You 100% opted in, and there you are, one of the 300K fans. Now, what if they sent you a targeted message that said if you come to the Main and Chippewa TGI Friday&#8217;s for Game 6 of the World Series and say Facebook, we&#8217;ll buy your entree. Then, when you&#8217;re there, someone at TGI Friday&#8217;s takes your picture and asks your permission to place it in an album on the page. </p>
<p>As you say, that&#8217;s Push Marketing, but you talk about it like it&#8217;s a bad thing. To me, that&#8217;s using the medium to reward Fans, then letting fans be fans. That&#8217;s an engagement that can be measured, scaled, and promoted. </p>
<p>My overall point is this: while I&#8217;ll concede that they screwed up not sending you their hamburger, my point is they most-likely scrwed up not thinking about what&#8217;s next, and what they will do next. But I don&#8217;t oficially KNOW they screwed up, because they aren&#8217;t done. If they have something like what I propose coming, then I&#8217;ll applaud. If they don&#8217;t, then I&#8217;ll give them a fail.<br />
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		<title>By: keithburtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>keithburtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, we always seem to disagree and thats healthy I guess. It&#039;s good to have another view. My whole point in this article is to say that it&#039;s important to be educated before trial. Are you seriously saying that they did a good job with this because they ran a multi-million dollar trial only to create a shitstorm for themselves? 

They very clearly don&#039;t understand the medium, the culture or the space. When you are talking about emailing everyone you are talking about more push marketing. I am making the point that social media is 100% opt in. No one gives a crap about the brand, they give a crap about what that brand can do for them. You say they didn&#039;t set expectations. I disagree again. The people that joined as fans expected to get the coupon for the free hamburger. I signed up and I have not gotten my free hamburger. That&#039;s why people are pissed. They spent a ton of money vying for our attention, offered a free promotion and didn&#039;t follow through.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, we always seem to disagree and thats healthy I guess. It&#8217;s good to have another view. My whole point in this article is to say that it&#8217;s important to be educated before trial. Are you seriously saying that they did a good job with this because they ran a multi-million dollar trial only to create a shitstorm for themselves? </p>
<p>They very clearly don&#8217;t understand the medium, the culture or the space. When you are talking about emailing everyone you are talking about more push marketing. I am making the point that social media is 100% opt in. No one gives a crap about the brand, they give a crap about what that brand can do for them. You say they didn&#8217;t set expectations. I disagree again. The people that joined as fans expected to get the coupon for the free hamburger. I signed up and I have not gotten my free hamburger. That&#8217;s why people are pissed. They spent a ton of money vying for our attention, offered a free promotion and didn&#8217;t follow through.<br />
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree on some levels with the TGI Friday case. This is an example of using a promotion to promote trial (In this instance, the trial was visit the Facebook page.) 

By their nature though, promotions attract non-fans of the brand. People come for the shiny free thing, then leave. So it&#039;s not entirely unexpected that many fans would leave.  

To your bigger question, this promotion didn&#039;t let people know what was expected of the people who stayed on the page. The &#039;brand&#039; page is filled with people talking about the brand, but that gets boring after a while. But if behind the scenes, TGI Friday&#039;s was using the e-mail feature on Facebook to target certain people and reward them for being fans (come into the TI friday&#039;s near you and get free appetizers when you say Facebook), then it could be &quot;working&quot;. 

My point: just because it appears things aren&#039;t going well, it doesn&#039;t mean they aren&#039;t. We don&#039;t know the strategy, nor do we know the outcome. 

And BTW, this is the first time I&#039;ve looked at TGI Friday&#039;s Facebook page, so I have no idea what their intentions are. But I like that they tried to use TV and social media together. That&#039;s a start. Because TV is still one of the bet ways to market a brand. Social media is one of the best ways to let fans market the brand to their friends. When the two do work together, it can be magic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree on some levels with the TGI Friday case. This is an example of using a promotion to promote trial (In this instance, the trial was visit the Facebook page.) </p>
<p>By their nature though, promotions attract non-fans of the brand. People come for the shiny free thing, then leave. So it&#8217;s not entirely unexpected that many fans would leave.  </p>
<p>To your bigger question, this promotion didn&#8217;t let people know what was expected of the people who stayed on the page. The &#8216;brand&#8217; page is filled with people talking about the brand, but that gets boring after a while. But if behind the scenes, TGI Friday&#8217;s was using the e-mail feature on Facebook to target certain people and reward them for being fans (come into the TI friday&#8217;s near you and get free appetizers when you say Facebook), then it could be &#8220;working&#8221;. </p>
<p>My point: just because it appears things aren&#8217;t going well, it doesn&#8217;t mean they aren&#8217;t. We don&#8217;t know the strategy, nor do we know the outcome. </p>
<p>And BTW, this is the first time I&#8217;ve looked at TGI Friday&#8217;s Facebook page, so I have no idea what their intentions are. But I like that they tried to use TV and social media together. That&#8217;s a start. Because TV is still one of the bet ways to market a brand. Social media is one of the best ways to let fans market the brand to their friends. When the two do work together, it can be magic.</p>
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		<title>By: keithburtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>keithburtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, it&#039;s an interesting conundrum and one that needs to be answered based on the specific company, but let me give you a sample of how I have approached this.

I am working with a small business that outsources HR services and they have an office in a good size complex. I asked the owner how many people walk by each day, see his shingle and inquire about business. His answer was ZERO.

We were able to show him the numbers of people that were searching for his service types in out specific area. Add to that the fact that no one had a significant presence and we were able to convince him to take action on a blog and even some twittering. It is very important to understand that not all businesses need YouTube, Facebook, Myspace and Twitter. Many of them simply need to optimize home base. In my next blog post I am going to get into that very topic. 

As far as paying you to help them...I don&#039;t have the answer. Small businesses need to see real value and ROI. No one is cash heavy right now and you need to prove your model... especially in the first three months.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, it&#8217;s an interesting conundrum and one that needs to be answered based on the specific company, but let me give you a sample of how I have approached this.</p>
<p>I am working with a small business that outsources HR services and they have an office in a good size complex. I asked the owner how many people walk by each day, see his shingle and inquire about business. His answer was ZERO.</p>
<p>We were able to show him the numbers of people that were searching for his service types in out specific area. Add to that the fact that no one had a significant presence and we were able to convince him to take action on a blog and even some twittering. It is very important to understand that not all businesses need YouTube, Facebook, Myspace and Twitter. Many of them simply need to optimize home base. In my next blog post I am going to get into that very topic. </p>
<p>As far as paying you to help them&#8230;I don&#8217;t have the answer. Small businesses need to see real value and ROI. No one is cash heavy right now and you need to prove your model&#8230; especially in the first three months.<br />
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		<title>By: Scott Meyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely hear you on the TGI Fridays case. I&#039;m thinking more of small businesses who want to get in on the social media action but don&#039;t have the budget. We often have small businesses that come to us and want us to help them get started but they don&#039;t have the time/interest to do it themselves, nor the cash to pay someone like us to come in house and run their account for longer than a month or two.  At that point do we just say, don&#039;t do it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely hear you on the TGI Fridays case. I&#8217;m thinking more of small businesses who want to get in on the social media action but don&#8217;t have the budget. We often have small businesses that come to us and want us to help them get started but they don&#8217;t have the time/interest to do it themselves, nor the cash to pay someone like us to come in house and run their account for longer than a month or two.  At that point do we just say, don&#8217;t do it?</p>
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		<title>By: keithburtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>keithburtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, I am not 100% clear on your question, but I will take a stab. In the case of TGI Fridays, they poured millions of dollars worth of mainstream ad production and air time to generate the million plus followers they got to their fanpage. To ask a company like that to run 10 less TV spots so they could afford a social media team for a year seems hardy daunting. The real question here is why are these Ad Agencies selling these companies on promoting facebook and Twitter if they have no idea how to manage the accounts or how to follow through. 

They spent Millions to generate this follower base. Do they not realize that these spaces are opt in and that anyone can leave at any time? What were they doing to compel followers to stick around? All they did was piss them off by not distributing the coupons. A situation in which they can very easily rectify but choose not too. 

I would say these guys dove in head first and naked into the deep end. they were going for it, but they were riding on a platform of push advertising rather than understanding the space.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, I am not 100% clear on your question, but I will take a stab. In the case of TGI Fridays, they poured millions of dollars worth of mainstream ad production and air time to generate the million plus followers they got to their fanpage. To ask a company like that to run 10 less TV spots so they could afford a social media team for a year seems hardy daunting. The real question here is why are these Ad Agencies selling these companies on promoting facebook and Twitter if they have no idea how to manage the accounts or how to follow through. </p>
<p>They spent Millions to generate this follower base. Do they not realize that these spaces are opt in and that anyone can leave at any time? What were they doing to compel followers to stick around? All they did was piss them off by not distributing the coupons. A situation in which they can very easily rectify but choose not too. </p>
<p>I would say these guys dove in head first and naked into the deep end. they were going for it, but they were riding on a platform of push advertising rather than understanding the space.<br />
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